Trae Young has now jumped to 3rd in ppg with 29.2 (behind Harden and Giannis) and 4th in assist with 8.6.
He is also not in the bottom 15 players in defensive rating.
[–]Lakers KeiserSoze24 27 指標 10小時前
I rem when this sub said he was a bust after 5 professional games…
[–][CLE] LeBron James Nickjames116425 6 指標 5小時前
I was absolutely a Trae Young hater last season because his terrible start but he’s playing amazingly on a shitty team this season. Respect.
[–]Bulls DavidManque 648 指標 9小時前
Players age 21 or younger to average at least 25 points and 5 assists in a season
[–]dorsdaddy 40 指標 7小時前
This is a solid list and all but let’s remember how the style of play has changed to accommodate for points. Shot attempts per game and 3 pointers per game are way up comparatively.
[–]Bulls DavidManque 49 指標 7小時前
Pace was high in the 70s, dropped to a low in the late 90s, and now is back up to its mid 80s levels. In Michael Jordan’s rookie year (84-85) the average team scored 110.8 pts per game. This season the average team scores 110.5 pts per game.
[–][UTA] Donovan Mitchell azzLife 11 指標 7小時前
Jordan’s 21 year old season had a higher pace than today and waaaay higher than LeBron and Kobes 21 year old seasons.
[–]Hawks Gtsweet 17 指標 8小時前
I like this list.
[–]Grizzlies VariableBooleans 282 指標 7小時前
Ja will be 21 next season, could see him make this list next year too. Would be nuts
[–]Bulls Skippy_the_Alien 113 指標 7小時前
he just needs to stay healthy at all costs. Look at what happened to D-Rose. Still makes me cry as a Bulls fan
[–]Raptors milkplantation 65 指標 6小時前
D. Rose had significant biomechanics issues and played the game in a way that invited injury: Drives into contact, off balance contorted landings, one-footed landings instead of running or sliding them out.
We’re seeing a similar storyline with Zion who has significant biomechanics issues and whose game also relies on athleticism and driving the paint. If Ja addresses his biomechanics and focuses on developing his skill and outside game over relying on his athleticism and initiating contact, there is no reason to think he would end up with the same fate as D.Rose.
[–][TOR] Norman Powell –God— 290 指標 12小時前
He is also not in the bottom 15 players in defensive rating.
[–]Hawks humancartograph 291 指標 10小時前
This tells me without looking that he’s definitely in the bottom 20, though.
[–]Bucks dassads 143 指標 11小時前
Trae is going to end up #2 in scoring by seasons end. And for people who really think he puts up empty numbers watch the 2nd half of the last Bucks vs Hawks game. Trae got injured and the Hawks looked like a fucking G-league team. He’s everything to that team.
[–][PHI] Joel Embiid bronet 54 指標 10小時前
He’s really good, but to be fair they almost look like a G league team even with him not injured
[–][CHI] Jimmer Fredette Liquidgoldvelveeta 35 指標 12小時前
Get this mf some help
[–]Hawks hrtattx 69 指標 10小時前
we’ll have a high lottery pick + nets 1st this year.
chandler parsons, evan turner come off the books after this season. highest paid player next year is deandre hunter at $7m.
[–][DAL] Dirk Nowitzki krdskrm9 26 指標 11小時前
This means Trae is good and the Hawks are worse than shit.
[–]See PeaEwe 471 指標 12小時前
Idc about their record Trae is good. The team is just trash around him. Look at D-Lo who is in pretty much the exact same situation, putting up worse numbers than Trae
[–]Mavericks BroiledGoose 47 指標 11小時前
I get your point but D-Lo doesn’t have anyone close to Collins level.
All he has is a half-trying Draymond and a bunch of decent bench guys
[–]Hawks RorschachRedd 129 指標 11小時前
Collins has played like 8 games this season
[–]Mavericks BroiledGoose 84 指標 11小時前
(15 games) And the Hawks have over 50% of their total wins with him in the lineup.
With Collins your team is not the absurdly bad team that the guy above is implying
[–]Bulls jkure2 265 指標 11小時前
The Hawks are so obviously not a contender. They were not built to contend at this moment.
Anyone who is using that to criticize a player that was drafted there – with no input or opportunity to play somewhere else – is a complete fool.
[–]Hawks Hugo_5t1gl1tz 154 指標 10小時前*
On the other hand, our “lineup of the future”, Trae, JC, Huerter, Hunter, and Reddish, have a net rating of like +25. They’ve just hardly played on the floor together due to injuries and doping
[–]Celtics SaintLeppy 20 指標 8小時前
Kemba put up great numbers for years on a shit losing team. We’re still probably not a contender but there was no denying he was a great player and that’s why we picked him up.
[–][LAL] Shannon Brown AdolescentThug 10 指標 7小時前
We’re still probably not a contender
Y’all are 4th in the East and Hayward finally looks like himself on the court. Stop underselling yourselves lol. Celtics could easily make the finals if they match up well or someone valuable on the Bucks/Sixers/Heat gets injured.
[–]Celtics SaintLeppy 6 指標 7小時前
Let me be an underdog we play better like that lol. But you’re 100% right we could get to the finals of the pieces fall into place and I’m really hopeful for that. It’s also weird a lakers flair hyping me up but shouts out you bro we need the lakers celts finals again for decades to come
[–][CLE] LeBron James knightvillian 17 指標 10小時前
I actually think the hawks and Trae are doing the right thing. He gets to ball out and see if he can win some impossible games, while at the same time not compromising draft position. They might get wiseman. Look at the Melo Lebron drafts their team was too good and couldn’t get a good draft position because of it
[–]ohnoacracka 930 指標 11小時前
Crazy how Trae and Luka have exploded second year while Lakers had three straight number 2s and they didnt do shit second year
[–]Bulls Kozymodo 7 指標 8小時前
Those two are complete outliers. No one is supposed to be that good that early. Ingrams progression is what’s often typical for a developing star player.
[–]Thunder thisguy2164 16 指標 11小時前
2018 was a very special draft
[–]Mavericks BroiledGoose 294 指標 11小時前
That draft just had an absurd amount of talent
[–]Barriston_davos 513 指標 11小時前
Well looking at what Ingram is doing now, I would say that the lakers culture isnt really built for young players to be at their best.
[–]Lakers whiskeynrye 22 指標 11小時前
Well then you would be wrong because he was doing this last year before he was injured.
[–]thelogoat44 22 指標 9小時前
Or maybe he just improved??? He was improving every year in la as well
[–]Barriston_davos 17 指標 9小時前
Ya except now when he has an off game, first take and fs1 and undisputed arent talking abt which team they should trade him to and what they’ll get back in return. It’s hard to play your game with trade rumours and a media circus every night
[–]ohnoacracka 204 指標 10小時前
Maybe but still, some guys just have "it" and Trae, Doncic, Morant now show it immediately. BI is good now on a bad team but even his first year he never showed that "it"
[–]Barriston_davos 74 指標 10小時前
The it factor only matters for elite players. Doesnt really matter for a very good starter or role player or even half of the all star caliber players. It’s still important to develop them properly though because they can still be a big part of the team
[–]ohnoacracka 10 指標 10小時前
LAL badly needed BI to be an "it" player, they were hoping for the next KD. Same with Zo and D’Lo. I just wish ONE of them had developed like these other guys
[–]Jazz docnarfid 54 指標 9小時前
People sometimes put too much emphasis on elite players. What I mean by this is that very good players & role players are needed for team success. Guys who understand their limitations and play to their strengths are so valuable. Ingram is an all-star caliber player right now at 22. He has all-NBA potential. not everyone is Doncic right away, and that’s okay.
[–]Baconmazing 55 指標 11小時前
Lakers have a great scouting department. But yeah they just don’t have a development culture. It’s funny to see that combination, being able to pick good players but not give them the opportunity to grow.
Most Lakers success comes from blockbuster trades or free agency signings, so I understand being underdeveloped in your young player development.
[–]ohnoacracka 34 指標 10小時前*
TBF…. LAL last say 20 years plus has done pretty well getting solid players from lower first or second round picks: Van Exel (2nd), Eddie Jones, Kuzma, Zubac, Clarkson, Nance, Marc Gasol (2nd), Jordan Farmar, Vujačić, Luke Walton (2nd), Derek Fisher, George Lynch, Anthony Peeler, Elden Campbell, Vlade, (also drafted Pat Beverly)
They just haven’t done well developing higher lottery picks like Randle and the three straight 2nds but maybe that’s a function of not having many in the last 25 years basically. Basically since Magic and Worthy were drafted number 1 I don’t they’ve had many top lottery picks
[–]shortyman920 61 指標 10小時前
This is either a bad or misleading observation.
Lukas and Traes are exceptions, not the rules. Most 18-19 year olds, no matter how talented and potential-filled, do not dominate within their first 2 years in the league. Lakers drafted the consensus #2s in their 3 drafts and none of them are busts, though the jury is still out on Lonzo. D’Lo is already a max player, and BI is looking like he’ll become one. These aren’t busts lol. They simply needed their 4th years after some injury and developmental hiccups to become the players they are today, and that is normal for star talent.
If Lakers had the chance to draft Luka #2, they would’ve done so.
[–]Bulls monolith17 307 指標 12小時前
Do people realize in Kevin Durant’s 2nd nba season/3rd year out of high school, his team was god awful?
We get on Devin booker because it’s year 5. We got on Demarcus cousins because it was like year 7.
[–][LAL] Shaquille O’Neal GoSuckYouMudda 185 指標 12小時前
Brah you’re supposed to come in and immediately take your team to the playoffs no matter the talent. LeBron does. So should Trae /s
[–]Hawks soullessgingerfck 113 指標 10小時前
Except Lebron didn’t make the playoffs til his third year.
Then made the playoffs every year, including dragging some terrible Cavs teams, until he got to that horrible Lakers young core last year and had them all traded away.
[–]Lakers baabaabilly 20 指標 8小時前
We didn’t make POs last year cuz he got injured, that was the main reason.
[–]Lakers imperabo 8 指標 8小時前
And Lonzo got injured and Ingram got injured. Seemed like any time a key guy got hot and was driving the team to victories he got injured.
[–]nbamodssuckdick 19 指標 8小時前
True, but Lebron was missing the playoffs with 35 and 42 wins. A guy like Booker has never won 25 games in what is now his 6th season.
[–]Suns JFZephyr 34 指標 9小時前
Idk how Book catches so much heat when the best player he’s ever teamed with since exploding in production is TJ fucking Warren. KD had Russ, Harden and Ibaka. People move the goal posts 24/7 for this shit. If you’re gonna flame Book, flame Trae too. Zach too, that Bulls squad shouldn’t be this awful. How bout Hield and Fox, they get free passes too?
[–]Hawks House_of_Borbon 91 指標 11小時前
Even MJ’s Bulls had a losing record in his 3rd year, and he had a 37/5/5/3/2 stat line playing all 82 games lol. People seriously underrate the impact the other 12-14 players have on a team.
[–]Cavaliers Dysfu 29 指標 10小時前
And that’s why I think what Lebron did was so amazing for the Cavs
[–][CHI] Jimmy Butler NotoriousVader 31 指標 9小時前
the early cavs for sure. those 2014-18 cavs were pretty stacked outside of the last year.
[–]yoyowatup 7 指標 8小時前
They were not stacked at all in 18 and in 15 they lost their second and third best player. So they were really only stacked in 16 and 17.